Privacy is for chumps

Kinja'd!!! "Just Jeepin'" (macintux)
09/26/2018 at 10:38 • Filed to: None

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Hopefully someone will start curating a list of vehicles that do (or do not, either way) have mechanisms for phoning home. If your car can’t call back to the automaker, it can’t spy on you. (Hopefully.)

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This post on Hacker News has some interesting discussions around figuring out what electronics in your car might be worth pulling.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18072802

Among the more interesting threads:

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Maybe I won’t be buying that brand new Fiata next year.


DISCUSSION (13)


Kinja'd!!! RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Just Jeepin'
09/26/2018 at 10:46

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Okay, but what happens when one of these cars goes into space, is uplifted by an advanced robotic alien society, and then comes back and threatens to destroy Earth because it can’t communicate with GM?

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/insert Plymouth V’GER joke here


Kinja'd!!! E90M3 > Just Jeepin'
09/26/2018 at 10:49

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I really wonder the validity to this claim.


Kinja'd!!! Just Jeepin' > E90M3
09/26/2018 at 10:52

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A few years ago, I’d have dismissed that as nonsense. Now, it’s sadly much easier to envision.

Think how easy it would be to bury that in the pile of paperwork you have to sign to buy a car.


Kinja'd!!! E90M3 > Just Jeepin'
09/26/2018 at 10:56

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I can envision it, but I could also see some serious backlash, enough to the point where they would refrain from forcing you to agree to data collection. 


Kinja'd!!! Just Jeepin' > E90M3
09/26/2018 at 10:57

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Next time I buy a new car (which would be the first time, actually) I’m going to make the poor salesperson miserable by reading everything they give me to sign.


Kinja'd!!! E90M3 > Just Jeepin'
09/26/2018 at 10:58

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Not a bad idea.


Kinja'd!!! Chariotoflove > Just Jeepin'
09/26/2018 at 11:00

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South Park ran an episode about software ULAs that is on point.  The  humancentipad. 


Kinja'd!!! kanadanmajava1 > Just Jeepin'
09/26/2018 at 11:08

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My cars don’t even have ODB-II connectors so they wouldn’t be following my doings. My brother’s car does have some kind of SOS button functionality. He nor I have no idea if the button is usable anymore but it used to have an e m e r g e n c y c o m m u n i c a t i on link to France (and we live in Finland i n where our French skills are very limited). I know this because my colleague accidentally pushed this button in a sister model when it was new. B u t I d o n ’ t k n o w w h a t t h e car actually does o r w h a t it could do.

B u t I d o n ’ t a c t u a l l y h a v e any prob lem if this car would be following me. My p h o n e already does this and it doesn ’ t s e e m t o b e h arming me. Maybe some c o m p any could use this information to target me w i t h t h e i r a d s ? But ta r g e ted advertising d o es seem be m o r e beneficial t han harmful to me.


Kinja'd!!! Future Heap Owner > E90M3
09/26/2018 at 11:16

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What? Most people don’t care about this sort of thing at all. They use Gmail,  post everything to Facebook, and carry a cellphone around everywhere.


Kinja'd!!! Just Jeepin' > kanadanmajava1
09/26/2018 at 11:16

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The automaker has no need to know what podcasts I listen to. They don’t need to know whether I have a fondness for talk radio.

I don’t need them to remind me when I’m driving past that I usually stop at a certain bar and here’s a coupon for a free beer, especially if I’m on a first date at the time.


Kinja'd!!! Future Heap Owner > Just Jeepin'
09/26/2018 at 11:20

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I’m pretty sure any car sold today has the capability to phone home, and thanks to the DMCA you pretty much have to take the manufacturer at their word on whether it does.

What do you do about your cellphone? As long as its radio is on , it’s tracking you, and your telco sells that data via third parties with questionable security practices: https://money.cnn.com/2018/05/18/technology/cell-phone-location-data-breach-locationsmart/index.html


Kinja'd!!! Just Jeepin' > Future Heap Owner
09/26/2018 at 11:29

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Yeah, I know, not happy about that either. I trust Apple’s interests and mine are in reasonable  alignment, but Verizon, ugh.


Kinja'd!!! kanadanmajava1 > Just Jeepin'
09/26/2018 at 11:35

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In Finland a free beer is an offer that we don’t ever see. It might actually even be illegal to offer one. We are v e r y strict about alcohol regulations.

I f s o m e o n e w o u l d be f o l l o wing my radio listening habits they woul d l e a r n t h a t I d o n ’ t w a n t t o h e a r s t u p i d a d s . T h e c ha n n el will change if these appear. I would be really happy to get rid off any useless ads a n d g e t s o m ething that I’ m a c t ually needing instead.